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		<title>by: Ashwini</title>
		<link>http://www.nandyala.org/mahanandi/archives/2006/06/04/mango-windfall-an-opinion-piece/#comment-353950</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Indira,

After reading your article and the comments from the readers...I was thinking can we do something beyond just getting worried about it. There are definitely pros and cons to this deal Ã¢â‚¬â€œ cannot deny that. It all depends on which side of the coin you are standing. 

The smallest effort from each one of us can be big enough to not to loose our dearest variety of mango to US. Like, for example we own a piece of agriculture land in which we currently grow banginpally. But recently my father had been insisting on growing US demanded mangoes. I am strictly against it and now he understands that $$ cannot give the flavor and satisfaction of those our own banginpally that we have been relishing for years. I took an oath the other day: I will do anything that I can to own &#38; support growing trees/fruits/flowers....and will not let them get extinct. My own home will have atleast a neem tree, hibiscus flower and a mango tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indira,</p>
<p>After reading your article and the comments from the readers&#8230;I was thinking can we do something beyond just getting worried about it. There are definitely pros and cons to this deal Ã¢â‚¬â€œ cannot deny that. It all depends on which side of the coin you are standing. </p>
<p>The smallest effort from each one of us can be big enough to not to loose our dearest variety of mango to US. Like, for example we own a piece of agriculture land in which we currently grow banginpally. But recently my father had been insisting on growing US demanded mangoes. I am strictly against it and now he understands that $$ cannot give the flavor and satisfaction of those our own banginpally that we have been relishing for years. I took an oath the other day: I will do anything that I can to own &amp; support growing trees/fruits/flowers&#8230;.and will not let them get extinct. My own home will have atleast a neem tree, hibiscus flower and a mango tree.
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		<title>by: chittoor</title>
		<link>http://www.nandyala.org/mahanandi/archives/2006/06/04/mango-windfall-an-opinion-piece/#comment-53324</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Stop worrying about consumers. Think about producers. As a son of farmer, I love to export mangoes to US and get $ money. Well, there are good number of varieties other than Benishan(Banganapalle) that are grown at my place. Few are more tastier and sweeter than Benishan and also priced higher. Kadar variety is 2 to 3 times higly priced than Banganpalle. The other varieties include Kalepadu(sweetest of all but small in size), Malgova(Large in size and juicy). More than 100 varieties are grown in around chittoor. There are around 40 mango juice extracting factories in around chittoor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop worrying about consumers. Think about producers. As a son of farmer, I love to export mangoes to US and get $ money. Well, there are good number of varieties other than Benishan(Banganapalle) that are grown at my place. Few are more tastier and sweeter than Benishan and also priced higher. Kadar variety is 2 to 3 times higly priced than Banganpalle. The other varieties include Kalepadu(sweetest of all but small in size), Malgova(Large in size and juicy). More than 100 varieties are grown in around chittoor. There are around 40 mango juice extracting factories in around chittoor.
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		<title>by: Aravinda&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Khiyali&#8217;s famous banana muffins</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Thanks to Uma for introducing me to Mahanandi and motivating me to add my bit&#8230; At last, we have a place to post the banana muffin recipe! [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.nandyala.org/mahanandi/archives/2006/06/04/mango-windfall-an-opinion-piece/#comment-27551</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Indira, I can't agree with you more. 

I also worry that when this importing-mangoes stuff starts, farmers in India will use more chemical pesticides and fertilizers to increase the yield and newer high yielding varieties will be found. This wrecks the taste of the mangoes and also the quality of the soil in India. Just like the non-tasty carrots and apples, etc we get in conventional stores (conventional = not organic) like walmart supercentres and safeways, the taste of Indian mangoes will go down too. :( 

After living in US for a year, I went back to India for a short visit. My kiddo brother asked me if we didnt get any apples in the US. It was only then that I realised that ever since I entered home, I'd been hogging apples and more apples. Dad had silently noticed this and had bought some more for me. The gorgeous looking apples in US were so tasteless that I didnt bother with them much, but the apples in India were not glamorous but was so tasty and juicy that I was on a mission to eat them all before I could return. Maybe I should be glad they arent importing apples from India.

Maybe I'll just go back and buy a small farmland and cultivate mango trees in organic ways so that my grand children and their children can enjoy the real taste of mangoes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Indira, I can&#8217;t agree with you more. </p>
<p>I also worry that when this importing-mangoes stuff starts, farmers in India will use more chemical pesticides and fertilizers to increase the yield and newer high yielding varieties will be found. This wrecks the taste of the mangoes and also the quality of the soil in India. Just like the non-tasty carrots and apples, etc we get in conventional stores (conventional = not organic) like walmart supercentres and safeways, the taste of Indian mangoes will go down too. <img src='http://www.nandyala.org/mahanandi/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>After living in US for a year, I went back to India for a short visit. My kiddo brother asked me if we didnt get any apples in the US. It was only then that I realised that ever since I entered home, I&#8217;d been hogging apples and more apples. Dad had silently noticed this and had bought some more for me. The gorgeous looking apples in US were so tasteless that I didnt bother with them much, but the apples in India were not glamorous but was so tasty and juicy that I was on a mission to eat them all before I could return. Maybe I should be glad they arent importing apples from India.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll just go back and buy a small farmland and cultivate mango trees in organic ways so that my grand children and their children can enjoy the real taste of mangoes!
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		<title>by: reshma</title>
		<link>http://www.nandyala.org/mahanandi/archives/2006/06/04/mango-windfall-an-opinion-piece/#comment-27300</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>great write-up Indira! this is taking food-blogging to a whole new level!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great write-up Indira! this is taking food-blogging to a whole new level!
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		<title>by: Kuttan</title>
		<link>http://www.nandyala.org/mahanandi/archives/2006/06/04/mango-windfall-an-opinion-piece/#comment-23271</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Indira 
I think your concerns are bit of an overstatement and I agree with P.R in that. I dont think the mango industry in India is going to have a revolutionary change just beause the lucrative US market is now open to them. India has for long been exporting mangoes to most of the europe and Asia and in that way it is a mature sector. Opening of the huge market I think could only affect sector positively. 
Also much of the varieties of are regional and cannot be grown at other places an example would be Alphonoso mangoes from Ratnagiri which is probably the most sought after variety. According to your views even today every mango farmer should only be growing Alphonso mangoes has this happened not it has not.
So I dont think you would see a mass migration of farmers.
As of Basmati the premium pricing is once again because of the geographic patent for the basmati. It can be grown only in that particular region, the Kashmir Valley which makes the prodcut scacre with respect to the high demand and hence it demands a premium. Even if it was readily availble I'm not sure if people would want to eat basmati every day, at least I don't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indira<br />
I think your concerns are bit of an overstatement and I agree with P.R in that. I dont think the mango industry in India is going to have a revolutionary change just beause the lucrative US market is now open to them. India has for long been exporting mangoes to most of the europe and Asia and in that way it is a mature sector. Opening of the huge market I think could only affect sector positively.<br />
Also much of the varieties of are regional and cannot be grown at other places an example would be Alphonoso mangoes from Ratnagiri which is probably the most sought after variety. According to your views even today every mango farmer should only be growing Alphonso mangoes has this happened not it has not.<br />
So I dont think you would see a mass migration of farmers.<br />
As of Basmati the premium pricing is once again because of the geographic patent for the basmati. It can be grown only in that particular region, the Kashmir Valley which makes the prodcut scacre with respect to the high demand and hence it demands a premium. Even if it was readily availble I&#8217;m not sure if people would want to eat basmati every day, at least I don&#8217;t.
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		<title>by: P.R</title>
		<link>http://www.nandyala.org/mahanandi/archives/2006/06/04/mango-windfall-an-opinion-piece/#comment-23136</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It was interesting to read all the posts. I think we all have nailed some very important issues. I think some of us are over-reacting to the potential threats that would emerge out of the mango trade. 
Just wanted to bring a few more points to the discussion - sorry it's a slightly long one.

1)Purchasing Power/Sophisticated set of consumers: We need to think about the purchasing power that the Indians are getting to enjoy these days. It is pretty high among the middle and working class in the urban areas. I am sure there are more families today in India (wouldn't be surprised if that percentage is more than the number in developed countries) that are enjoying so many luxury products and services on par or even greater than some of us here. 

2) Sophisticated network of interest groups, grassroots democracy and institutions that strive to work for rural population, including some media organizations: Indian democratic system is far more sophisticated and better than many other democracies, and today with the growth in technology and media access, as seen with the Coca-Cola article that L.G provided a link to, we should feel optimistic that companies will also be cautious while dealing with countries like India.  

3) US economy and its role in the global arena: Honestly, I really think we are overestimating US' role in the global economic scene. With the economy in the shape it is right now, and US itself realizing that its position in the world is starting to get a little shaky with China and India emerging powerful, I am sure countries will choose other global players to do trade with if the benefits outweigh the costs. It is already seen with the Mango trade, whereby Indian Mangoes are already in the Chinese markets.. One thing we need to realize is we keep criticizing the US for all the bully power, but, if tomorrow China offers more trade opportunities for India, do you think it is going to be a different approach than what US has been adopting with its trading partners. I don't think so.. SOmeone rightly pointed "Big Fish eats small fish" - I think that will hold true irrespective of which country is in quesiton.. It is important for the govts and thinktanks to carefully evaluate the pros and cons or costs and benefits before getting into new economic policy in international trade, and have clear guidelines and regulations in place so that none of the stakeholders and the environment too is affected adversely - srive to find an optimal and efficent solution so that no individual is worse off in the long-term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was interesting to read all the posts. I think we all have nailed some very important issues. I think some of us are over-reacting to the potential threats that would emerge out of the mango trade.<br />
Just wanted to bring a few more points to the discussion - sorry it&#8217;s a slightly long one.</p>
<p>1)Purchasing Power/Sophisticated set of consumers: We need to think about the purchasing power that the Indians are getting to enjoy these days. It is pretty high among the middle and working class in the urban areas. I am sure there are more families today in India (wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if that percentage is more than the number in developed countries) that are enjoying so many luxury products and services on par or even greater than some of us here. </p>
<p>2) Sophisticated network of interest groups, grassroots democracy and institutions that strive to work for rural population, including some media organizations: Indian democratic system is far more sophisticated and better than many other democracies, and today with the growth in technology and media access, as seen with the Coca-Cola article that L.G provided a link to, we should feel optimistic that companies will also be cautious while dealing with countries like India.  </p>
<p>3) US economy and its role in the global arena: Honestly, I really think we are overestimating US&#8217; role in the global economic scene. With the economy in the shape it is right now, and US itself realizing that its position in the world is starting to get a little shaky with China and India emerging powerful, I am sure countries will choose other global players to do trade with if the benefits outweigh the costs. It is already seen with the Mango trade, whereby Indian Mangoes are already in the Chinese markets.. One thing we need to realize is we keep criticizing the US for all the bully power, but, if tomorrow China offers more trade opportunities for India, do you think it is going to be a different approach than what US has been adopting with its trading partners. I don&#8217;t think so.. SOmeone rightly pointed &#8220;Big Fish eats small fish&#8221; - I think that will hold true irrespective of which country is in quesiton.. It is important for the govts and thinktanks to carefully evaluate the pros and cons or costs and benefits before getting into new economic policy in international trade, and have clear guidelines and regulations in place so that none of the stakeholders and the environment too is affected adversely - srive to find an optimal and efficent solution so that no individual is worse off in the long-term.
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		<title>by: L.G</title>
		<link>http://www.nandyala.org/mahanandi/archives/2006/06/04/mango-windfall-an-opinion-piece/#comment-23118</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It is all in the economics. Carrot and Stick policy OR Big fish eats small fish! 

I am of the opinion, If some mango farmers gets more money, can send their kids to school, then it is okay....I can take the sacrifice and will grow a mango tree in my yard to eat my favourite mango. But thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not what actually will happen. Initially it will all look rosy, then after a couple of years it will hit us really bad.
Forget Mangoes, some people had to fight for plain water! 
DonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know whether you know about Coco-Cola controversy in Kerala. Some villages in Kerala were marked as one of the few spots with purest water. So the coke companies set up a plant, promising 500 jobs. Initially the farmers were very happy, since once the companies started drilling for water, the farmers could do two seasons of crops (Otherwise the fields will be flooded). After 3 or 4 years, the underground water supply began to deplete and once a fertile land became completely barren. It was shocking! People started protesting in large number, stood up against the huge corporations and the corrupt politicians. Even Green Peace started supporting the fight of poor farmers.
Finally, we won!

http://www.ndtvprofit.com/homepage/storybusinessnew.asp?template=&#38;whichstory=n&#38;id=30121


An excellent write up Indira. I admire you expressing your opinion in your blog! Great! Also,I loved the way you wrote 'Gandhiji" instead of plain 'Gandhi'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is all in the economics. Carrot and Stick policy OR Big fish eats small fish! </p>
<p>I am of the opinion, If some mango farmers gets more money, can send their kids to school, then it is okay&#8230;.I can take the sacrifice and will grow a mango tree in my yard to eat my favourite mango. But thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not what actually will happen. Initially it will all look rosy, then after a couple of years it will hit us really bad.<br />
Forget Mangoes, some people had to fight for plain water!<br />
DonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know whether you know about Coco-Cola controversy in Kerala. Some villages in Kerala were marked as one of the few spots with purest water. So the coke companies set up a plant, promising 500 jobs. Initially the farmers were very happy, since once the companies started drilling for water, the farmers could do two seasons of crops (Otherwise the fields will be flooded). After 3 or 4 years, the underground water supply began to deplete and once a fertile land became completely barren. It was shocking! People started protesting in large number, stood up against the huge corporations and the corrupt politicians. Even Green Peace started supporting the fight of poor farmers.<br />
Finally, we won!</p>
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<p>An excellent write up Indira. I admire you expressing your opinion in your blog! Great! Also,I loved the way you wrote &#8216;Gandhiji&#8221; instead of plain &#8216;Gandhi&#8217;.
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		<title>by: Barbara</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Indira--you hit the issue spot on. 

Global agricultural trade is such a complex issue. And while, yes, it might be nice to get tasty Indian mangoes here in the US, I would hate to think that it is at the expense of the people who grow them and eat them in India.

It is a shame that basmati rice shipped to the US is cheaper than what is paid for it where it is grown. That is sinful, really--the people of India deserve to be able to eat their own produce at decent prices! I would gladly pay more for my basmati rice (I just started buying fair trade jasmine rice from Thailand--which is way more expensive than the usual stuff--and I would do the same with fair trade basmati if I could get it) just so the people of India could eat it at a decent price, too!

And how much profit, really, will the farmers in India make? That worries me. I know how the US treats its own farmers and farm workers--I cannot imagine that they give a better deal to farmers overseas.

I stand for the little guy, always--and in this case, the little guy are the farmers in India and the people of India--not the US government and their trade agreements.

Thank you, Indira, for posting on this issue--and please, tell us more! I want to know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indira&#8211;you hit the issue spot on. </p>
<p>Global agricultural trade is such a complex issue. And while, yes, it might be nice to get tasty Indian mangoes here in the US, I would hate to think that it is at the expense of the people who grow them and eat them in India.</p>
<p>It is a shame that basmati rice shipped to the US is cheaper than what is paid for it where it is grown. That is sinful, really&#8211;the people of India deserve to be able to eat their own produce at decent prices! I would gladly pay more for my basmati rice (I just started buying fair trade jasmine rice from Thailand&#8211;which is way more expensive than the usual stuff&#8211;and I would do the same with fair trade basmati if I could get it) just so the people of India could eat it at a decent price, too!</p>
<p>And how much profit, really, will the farmers in India make? That worries me. I know how the US treats its own farmers and farm workers&#8211;I cannot imagine that they give a better deal to farmers overseas.</p>
<p>I stand for the little guy, always&#8211;and in this case, the little guy are the farmers in India and the people of India&#8211;not the US government and their trade agreements.</p>
<p>Thank you, Indira, for posting on this issue&#8211;and please, tell us more! I want to know!
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		<title>by: Rama</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Earth provides enough to satisfy every manÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s need, but not *ONE* manÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s greed, in this case one country's never ending gluttony. But that is what happening in this world.

Apt and wisely put together in few words, no verbal diarrhoea. I liked reading your piece. Keep it up, my friend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earth provides enough to satisfy every manÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s need, but not *ONE* manÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s greed, in this case one country&#8217;s never ending gluttony. But that is what happening in this world.</p>
<p>Apt and wisely put together in few words, no verbal diarrhoea. I liked reading your piece. Keep it up, my friend!
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